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pigpen60 Machine Builder


Joined: 09 - June - 2006
United States Posts: 197 Home Town, State/Province: foley, missouri
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| Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 19:46 | IP Logged
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well this past weekend was a bummer. had noticed fluid leaking out the back of my cylinder but needed to finish mother in laws wood. well on last piece the leak became a geyser, the tie rod nuts on the back of the cylinder stripped out and made one heckuva mess. my repair attemp was to put new nuts on but nogo, no threads left so i backed out the rods and welded some nuts on and tightened them up. shes good to go now, cylinder was 30 years old when i got it off scrap machine at work and new cylinders are longer. someday ill hunt up a regular cylinder but till then...
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blackdog_006 Advanced Machine Builder

Joined: 12 - December - 2007
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| Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 20:29 | IP Logged
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Go down to your local scrap yard with a oxyfuel torch and get your self a new one they shouldn't be that much there.
__________________ If man made I can cut it up and scrap it out
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


Joined: 09 - June - 2006
United States Posts: 197 Home Town, State/Province: foley, missouri
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i went down to my local yard and the ol boy is sending it out as fast as it comes in! i was afraid to walk away from my truck what with the look the loader op had. if id been 15 minutes earlier i could have had a forklift mast complete for scrap money. pigpen
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tom Senior Machine Builder


Joined: 21 - February - 2006
United States Posts: 1372 Home Town, State/Province: kodiak alaska
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| Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 23:06 | IP Logged
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pigpen: I take it you don't have the use of a lathe to make a new rod.
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 23:31 | IP Logged
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have lathe just welded nut on due to whats quicker? im eyeballing a newer cylinder here at work that may be on its way out. pigpen
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 23:35 | IP Logged
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hey tom! what type of material would you suggest for a new tie rod? pigpen
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tom Senior Machine Builder


Joined: 21 - February - 2006
United States Posts: 1372 Home Town, State/Province: kodiak alaska
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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 00:39 | IP Logged
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pigpen: I use stainless steel, cut it slow and don't get it hot and use carbide bit. There is some post in the hydraulic forum.
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 01:44 | IP Logged
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i looked but im entering the wrong terms i guess. i guess tie rods go bad/get screwed up for other folks too. pigpen
P.S. just had an electrician sugest all-thread! 
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theonlybull Senior Machine Builder

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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 04:17 | IP Logged
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pig pen, grade 8 threaded rod would probably stand the load
if i was making new ones, i'd just use cold rolled steels for them.
i think tom was refering to the cylinder rod. not the tie rods for the barrel
__________________ Bill Berry
Keith Berry & Son Ltd.
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triptester Machine Builder

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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 06:14 | IP Logged
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According to the hydraulics people I deal with the original rods on a tie-rod cylinder are high strength with rolled threads rather than cut threads.
On the splitters I build I don't use the rear tang for support . With tie-rod cylinders I replace the original rods with the next size larger grade 5 all-thread rod so the cylinder can be supported from the front . Standard threaded rod has marginal tensile strength.
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tom Senior Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 12:22 | IP Logged
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Ok I am now awake and know what is going on, us island boys need pictures. Thread up some 4140 rod and it can be oil harden.
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 17:28 | IP Logged
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is grade b7 4140? pigpen
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 18:57 | IP Logged
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guess it is according to the linky below,
http://www.americanfastener.com/technical/grade_markings_ste el.asp
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tom Senior Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 20:22 | IP Logged
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this should cover it.
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Alloy Steels 4140
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AISI 4140
AMS 6349
AMS 6381
AMS 6382
AMS 6390
AMS 6395
AMS 6529
ASTM A193 (B7, B7M)
ASTM A194 (7, 7M)
ASTM A29 (4140)
ASTM A320 (L7, L7M, L7D)
ASTM A322 (4140)
ASTM A331 (4140)
ASTM A506 (4140)
ASTM A513
ASTM A513 (4140)
ASTM A519 (4140)
ASTM A646 (4140)
ASTM A711
ASTM A752 (4140)
ASTM A829
SAE J1397 (4140)
SAE J404 (4140)
SAE J412 (4140)
UNS G41400
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Chemistry Data |
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Carbon |
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0.38 - 0.43 |
Chromium |
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0.8 - 1.1 |
Iron |
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Manganese |
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0.75 - 1 |
Molybdenum |
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0.15 - 0.25 |
Phosphorus |
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0.035 max |
Silicon |
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0.15 - 0.35 |
Sulphur |
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0.04 max |
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General Information |
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Principal Design Features |
This
is one of the chromium, molybdenum, manganese low alloy steels noted
for toughness, good torsional strength and good fatigue strength. |
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Applications |
4140 is used in a tremendous variety of applications, too numerous to mention here. |
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Machinability |
Machinability
of this alloy is good in the annealed condition. In the heat treated
and quenched condition machining is best limited to finish grinding. |
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Forming |
As
with all the low alloy steels forming may be done by conventional
methods with the alloy in the annealed condition. These alloys have
good ductility, but are tougher than plain carbon steel and thus
usually require more force, or pressure, for forming. |
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Welding |
Weldable
by all of the conventional methods. Note that welding with the alloy in
the heat treated condition will affect the mechanical properties and a
post weld heat treatment may be needed. |
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Heat Treatment |
This
alloy is hardened by heating to 1550 F and quenching in oil. It is best
to normalize the alloy by heating at 1675 F for a long enough time to
permit thorough heating, followed by air cooling, prior to the
hardening treatment. |
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Forging |
4140 may be forged at 2200 F down to 1700 F. |
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Hot Working |
Hot working, if required, may be done in the range of 1900 F to 1500 F. |
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Cold Working |
The alloy readily cold works in the annealed condition by conventional methods. |
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Annealing |
Annealing is done at 1600 F followed by slow furnace cooling. |
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Aging |
Not applicable to this alloy. |
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Tempering |
Tempering
temperatures range from 400 F to 1200 F depending upon the hardness
level desired. The lower the tempering temperature the greater the
hardness of the alloy. For example tempering at 600 F gives a tensile
strength of 225 ksi while tempering at 1000 F will give 130 ksi. |
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Hardening |
Hardens by cold working, or heating and quenching - also see "Heat Treatment" and "Tempering". |
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Physical Data |
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Density (lb / cu. in.) |
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0.28 |
Specific Gravity |
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7.83 |
Specific Heat (Btu/lb/Deg F - [32-212 Deg F]) |
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0.114 |
Melting Point (Deg F) |
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2580 |
Thermal Conductivity |
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23 |
Mean Coeff Thermal Expansion |
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Modulus of Elasticity Tension |
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33 |
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 20:49 | IP Logged
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now that was a BIG reply! i was bein overtaken by engineering terms and such. was i right or have i confused myself? pigpen
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Lu47Dan Senior Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 20:53 | IP Logged
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pigpen60 ,
ASTM A193 (B7, B7M) Answer the question ? Dan
__________________ Tools to Men are like Shoes to Women , you can never have too many !!!
Used diesel engines are an adventure anyway you look at them !!
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pigpen60 Machine Builder


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| Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 22:03 | IP Logged
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uh..yeah, yeah what you said...pigpen
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