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Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 19:46 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

well this past weekend was a bummer. had noticed fluid leaking out the back of my cylinder but needed to finish mother in laws wood. well on last piece the leak became a geyser, the tie rod nuts on the back of the cylinder stripped out and made one heckuva mess. my repair attemp was to put new nuts on but nogo, no threads left so i backed out the rods and welded some nuts on and tightened them up. shes good to go now, cylinder was 30 years old when i got it off scrap machine at work and new cylinders are longer. someday ill hunt up a regular cylinder but till then...
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Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 20:29 | IP Logged Quote blackdog_006

Go down to your local scrap yard with a oxyfuel torch and get your self a new one they shouldn't be that much there.

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Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 21:12 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

i went down to my local yard and the ol  boy is sending it out as fast as it comes in! i was afraid to walk away from my truck what with the look the loader op had. if id been 15 minutes earlier i could have had a forklift mast complete for scrap money. pigpen
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Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 23:06 | IP Logged Quote tom

pigpen: I take it you don't have the use of a lathe to make a new rod.
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Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 23:31 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

have lathe just welded nut on due to whats quicker? im eyeballing a newer cylinder here at work that may be on  its way out. pigpen
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Posted: 26 - December - 2007 at 23:35 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

hey tom! what type of material would you suggest for a new tie rod? pigpen
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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 00:39 | IP Logged Quote tom

pigpen: I use stainless steel, cut it slow and don't get it hot and use carbide bit. There is some post in the hydraulic forum.
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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 01:44 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

i looked but im entering the wrong terms i guess. i guess tie rods go bad/get screwed up for other folks too. pigpen

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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 04:17 | IP Logged Quote theonlybull

pig pen,  grade 8 threaded rod would probably stand the load

if i was making new ones, i'd just use cold rolled steels for them.

 

i think tom was refering to the cylinder rod.  not the tie rods for the barrel



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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 06:14 | IP Logged Quote triptester

According to the hydraulics  people I deal with the original rods on a tie-rod cylinder  are high strength with rolled threads rather than cut threads.

 

On the splitters I build  I don't use the rear tang for support . With tie-rod cylinders I replace the original rods with the next size larger grade 5 all-thread rod so the cylinder can be supported from the front . Standard  threaded rod has marginal tensile strength.

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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 12:22 | IP Logged Quote tom

Ok I am now awake and know what is going on, us island boys need pictures. Thread up some 4140 rod and it can be oil harden.
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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 17:28 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

is grade b7 4140? pigpen
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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 18:57 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

guess it is according to the linky below,

http://www.americanfastener.com/technical/grade_markings_ste el.asp

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this should cover it.

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Alloy Steels 4140

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Specifications:
AISI 4140
AMS 6349
AMS 6381
AMS 6382
AMS 6390
AMS 6395
AMS 6529
ASTM A193 (B7, B7M)
ASTM A194 (7, 7M)
ASTM A29 (4140)
ASTM A320 (L7, L7M, L7D)
ASTM A322 (4140)
ASTM A331 (4140)
ASTM A506 (4140)
ASTM A513
ASTM A513 (4140)
ASTM A519 (4140)
ASTM A646 (4140)
ASTM A711
ASTM A752 (4140)
ASTM A829
SAE J1397 (4140)
SAE J404 (4140)
SAE J412 (4140)
UNS G41400

Chemistry Data

Carbon


0.38 - 0.43

Chromium


0.8 - 1.1

Iron


Balance

Manganese


0.75 - 1

Molybdenum


0.15 - 0.25

Phosphorus


0.035 max

Silicon


0.15 - 0.35

Sulphur


0.04 max

General Information

Principal Design Features

This is one of the chromium, molybdenum, manganese low alloy steels noted for toughness, good torsional strength and good fatigue strength.


Applications

4140 is used in a tremendous variety of applications, too numerous to mention here.


Machinability

Machinability of this alloy is good in the annealed condition. In the heat treated and quenched condition machining is best limited to finish grinding.


Forming

As with all the low alloy steels forming may be done by conventional methods with the alloy in the annealed condition. These alloys have good ductility, but are tougher than plain carbon steel and thus usually require more force, or pressure, for forming.


Welding

Weldable by all of the conventional methods. Note that welding with the alloy in the heat treated condition will affect the mechanical properties and a post weld heat treatment may be needed.


Heat Treatment

This alloy is hardened by heating to 1550 F and quenching in oil. It is best to normalize the alloy by heating at 1675 F for a long enough time to permit thorough heating, followed by air cooling, prior to the hardening treatment.


Forging

4140 may be forged at 2200 F down to 1700 F.


Hot Working

Hot working, if required, may be done in the range of 1900 F to 1500 F.


Cold Working

The alloy readily cold works in the annealed condition by conventional methods.


Annealing

Annealing is done at 1600 F followed by slow furnace cooling.


Aging

Not applicable to this alloy.


Tempering

Tempering temperatures range from 400 F to 1200 F depending upon the hardness level desired. The lower the tempering temperature the greater the hardness of the alloy. For example tempering at 600 F gives a tensile strength of 225 ksi while tempering at 1000 F will give 130 ksi.


Hardening

Hardens by cold working, or heating and quenching - also see "Heat Treatment" and "Tempering".


Physical Data

Density (lb / cu. in.)


0.28

Specific Gravity


7.83

Specific Heat (Btu/lb/Deg F - [32-212 Deg F])


0.114

Melting Point (Deg F)


2580

Thermal Conductivity


23

Mean Coeff Thermal Expansion


7

Modulus of Elasticity Tension


33

Mechanical Data

MSO currently has no data available for this grade.
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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 20:49 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

now that was a BIG reply! i was bein overtaken by engineering terms and such. was i right or have i confused myself? pigpen
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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 20:53 | IP Logged Quote Lu47Dan

pigpen60 ,
ASTM A193 (B7, B7M)
Answer the question ? Dan


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Posted: 27 - December - 2007 at 22:03 | IP Logged Quote pigpen60

uh..yeah, yeah what you said...pigpen
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